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Calion's avatar

I think you're arguing against yourself here. “Humans are, deep down, meek little sheep who want to be told what to do" is *not* "people are fundamentally evil." Eichmann was not Hitler, could never be Hitler. The argument that people are fundamentally compliant to authority, even if it goes against their better judgment, is not only not contradictory to "these men were inspired into evil by traits we might otherwise consider admirable: loyalty, duty, brotherhood, patriotism, honor"; it's saying the *same thing.* Eichmann had no desire to kill Jews; he wanted to be a good person in the system he was brought up in, to do the right thing, to *follow orders." It can *absolutely* be said of him that "it may have been politeness, not malice, urging [him] onward." That's exactly what's horrifying about Eichmann and the Milgrom experiments: the banality of evil.

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Kalen's avatar

I've always felt that an underacknowledged wrinkle in the narrative of the Milgram studies being especially damning is that, in the end, people who kept shocking *were right*- that is, they carried on doing something they were told was okay and *were correct because it was a sham.* Now, of course, how could they know? But when really weird things happen in the world there's always a metanalysis that suggests they're weird because they're phony, and with 'an esteemed scientist has arranged for people to be potentially murdered' on one hand and 'I'm in a haunted house' on the other, the second has to be looming large. Milgram insisting that no one could be suspicious of his rooms full of community theater thespians committing capital crimes, at least enough to play along given the other factors you mention, felt rather self-serving and unlikely.

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